SAD BOYS METS CLUB
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SAD BOYS METS CLUB
Episode 014: We Love The Mets Even When They Hurt Us
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Mets fandom can feel like a marathon you didn’t train for, and after a rough stretch we’re saying the quiet part out loud: sometimes you vanish for a week just to recover. Giovanni and Franklin Blanco talk through that familiar New York Mets spiral, the tiredness that sets in around the season’s midpoint, and the tiny sparks that keep you checking scores anyway.
We get practical about what might actually turn the season around, from a “perfect lineup” built around Francisco Alvarez and Francisco Lindor to why Mark Vientos has become such a bright spot when expectations are low and the opportunity is real. We also dig into pitching and bullpen vibes, the frustration of watching dropped players succeed elsewhere, and how a team can look talented on paper while still feeling misaligned on the field.
Then we zoom out to the bigger MLB issues fans can’t ignore: talk of a potential labor dispute with salary cap and salary floor proposals, plus the one reform we’d love to see, centralized streaming that ends blackouts and the “70 different services” problem. We also address the uglier side of sports culture, from death threats to Pride Month backlash, and why baseball only works when different people can share the same space with basic respect.
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Back After A Brutal Week
SPEAKER_03Welcome back y'all. It's the Sad Boys Mets Club. I am Giovanni Blanco.
SPEAKER_02And I'm Franklin Blanco.
SPEAKER_03And uh we missed a week due to uh major, major uh uh situations that we had to take care of. Uh personal matters, school matters, work matters, travel matters, um, and of course the fact that we're recovering from all the losses that the Mets have had in the last week and a half. Um, even though they've had a few surprise wins. But um it's it's uh I mean how do we jump in into this again? How do we jump back into this? This is this is a good topic actually to get into right away because um we can we can talk about the things that uh that have happened that we know Mets-wise, Mets news and stuff, but can we just off the top at the top just talk about this feeling of being a Mets fan and how we can sometimes be completely thrown off and then like we just disappear? Like we just like, you know, I mean that was just like a it's just such a familiar feeling to me to be on a roll and be watching some games and then you know things don't go as well, and you watch, you know, uh seven out of ten losses, and then you just kind of like, okay, I have to find other things in life for the moment that that uh cheer me up. I you're much newer to this. I've got a lot of things ingrained in me that are um maybe things that I need to get rid of or forget or not do anymore and be more supportive. But how do you feel?
SPEAKER_02I feel tired.
SPEAKER_03Exhausted, deleted.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I feel like I wish the season wasn't 162 games because there's still we're still able to say it's not over till it's over. Which kind of stinks because it's probably over, but then there's a world where we get our guys back, and it's like incredible. Uh so I don't know, it's like I I'm just tired. I want to be able to write off this season, yeah, or write in this season, but right now we're in the middle.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we're close to the mid sp mid spot. I mean, we're really close to the middle.
SPEAKER_02A month out of the all-star game. Um, don't think anybody on our team is I mean Soto. Probably the only person making the All-Star team. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um Yeah, and that's just because they have to.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. Soto.
SPEAKER_03I mean, no, he's he's hot. He's hot. I'm not gonna say that.
SPEAKER_01Ten home runs. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Ten home runs in May, and uh man, if he just continues even like two-thirds of that like uh production, he he will possibly be the leader. But um
Expectations, Entitlement, And Hope
SPEAKER_03I I I mean I I just want to keep talking about this particular thing because there are parallels to I feel like the world that we live in, that you can easily say that um we as a nation um have so many supposed advantages that we are the richest country in the world and we have all these things and all the supposed education and everything is just like we're like lagging behind. You know, we have an incompetent leader. Um that reminds me of something. I'm just saying, like, there are parallels here. I'm not saying that I mean I like I like Met Mendy. I like um I don't I'm not comparing her to two uh horrible people, but I'm just saying that the at like you know that part of it is um maybe it's this idea of expectations. You know, we are supposed to be the best, and we're not. And there's also this idea of you know what do you call it? It's not privilege, it's uh you know, like that we demand that to win, and that's not the way things go.
SPEAKER_01Entitlement?
SPEAKER_03Entitlement is the word. This is my uh my New York Times uh crossword solving uh thing. Uh entitlement. It's definitely like a weird entitlement, and I think that the entitlement comes from the idea that, you know, oh well, we spent all this money. We have all this money, and we should have been should be winning, you know, and uh I mean it's a big, it's a big shock. That said, I mean I'd like to try to try try to draw a different parallel and to say that, you know, in this fucked up world that we are in, whether it's the real world or it's just the mats, um, is there a way that this can be turned around?
SPEAKER_02Well, the season actually, yeah, there's there's a way to turn it around the season and turn around the mindset. I found a good excuse for why we're losing, why we're so bad. What's that? The New York Knicks stole all of our life force. And here we are. They haven't won in like 50 years, and all of a sudden, they're like in the finals, and this is when the Mets are completely falling. All I'm saying. All I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, that's that's actually their good news there, then, because that's gonna end soon.
SPEAKER_02That's gonna end soon. Um and hopefully, hopefully New York is burning to the ground. Whether they win or lose, New York's So there there might not be any more Mets after after the finals.
SPEAKER_03No, that's why they're in Queens, though. That's why. Uh where do the Knicks play now? They they're oh, they play the garden, right? So yeah, yeah, they always play the garden. So they're in the city.
SPEAKER_02So the Mets are safe.
SPEAKER_03Mets are safe. Bye-bye Broadway.
SPEAKER_02But there's a way to turn around this season as well.
SPEAKER_03No more Lion King. No more wicked.
SPEAKER_02Don't bring up Lion King. That's what my costume spinal is on.
SPEAKER_01I don't need to hear that right now.
Knicks Chaos And Broadway Tangents
SPEAKER_02To do go nyam. I know all the lyrics because I was in the Lion King.
SPEAKER_03I used to know all the lyrics because I was uh I worked at the Pantages when when uh they brought the Lion King to the Pantages for a year.
SPEAKER_01That was a good time.
SPEAKER_03Spectacle is exciting. It's always good to see a good uh theater production. Um it's entertaining and it's uplifting. And I feel like there's some things, um, there are some things that we can talk about connected to the mats, is that we have all these perfect, not perfect, great elements that somehow are not working together. We have we have a great, you know, we have a great cast, we have a great music, you know. Uh you know who's great? Who's great?
SPEAKER_02Jared Young. I was I was hating when we brought him back because I like having VNC at first. And he hit home runs in like back-to-back games. Like what I didn't he's he was uh he's like such a non- He's just such like a nondescript guy. He's just like he's he's the guy. It's crazy that he's so good. But yeah, I I know you we like have all of the pieces, but that's that's part of what it is. I think there's a world where it turns around when we get Alvarez back, when we get Lindor back, I think those are the two big guys because like right now I love our outfield. In in my perfect lineup for our team, it's Alvarez behind the dish, Vientos at first.
SPEAKER_03Uh God, I love Vientos at first.
SPEAKER_02By the way, I mean he's been like I you know what I love about is because he's not a first baseman.
SPEAKER_03He like every single game he does something like doing some really good plays.
SPEAKER_02He does like something super weird and unnatural and ends up working out.
SPEAKER_03This is not a normal way, like, you know, like you'll turn it around in his face. But like a lot of time it works. I mean, I'm gonna say just as much as Alonzo.
SPEAKER_02Oh well yeah, Alonzo's kind of here's what I will say. I think it's also good because it I think it might lessen the pressure because it's kinda like I have to imagine most players would feel this way about whichever like legacy player is in their booth.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I have to imagine first base is a terribly high pressure position for the Mets because Keith Hernandez is is like the best first baseman, specifically defensive. For the Mets too. For the Mets and like all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's just kind of like that's gotta suck. So I think it's Vientos isn't playing like he isn't playing Keith Hernandez first base, he's playing his own first base.
SPEAKER_03You bring up an interesting point because it's odd when you watch those games where Keith is there and he's talking and he's announcing and um commenting. It's funny that I've never noticed him saying anything specific about that. I think he's super conscious about that. I I I think he doesn't want to like like bring bring on any sort of like.
SPEAKER_02I think it's known that his opinion is like, in at least in that regard, is kind of very uh he's but he's always funny.
SPEAKER_03He's always quick to say, like, when people mess up and he'll say, like, yeah, well, you should have gotten that sooner, you should have been paying attention or whatever. But he kind of leaves that yeah. He he definitely keeps it even for everybody. And it's not it's I I've never noticed him like saying worse things about a first baseman because there was disposition. Um or him saying, like, well when I played this, you know, when I played first base, I was always better. Like he never ever says anything like that. Um, but he's then he's to be presented with his T and all that. So we're talking about Vientos.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, continuing my lineup. Alfred's Vientos. And I like the ability to have Beatty on first. Back up. I just well, it's like for me in baseball, there's like one thing that sticks in my head that I'll get in my head, and I just keep thinking about the game where he made like such a good play that ended up saving the game.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but he's I feel like he's done those plays in other positions as well.
SPEAKER_02For me, for me, Beatty is third because when he's at third base, he's playing really well too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So for me, my perfect my perfect lineup is Alvarez. Mauricio on second, because I know Semi Semin, he hits like he does good stuff sometimes. I still don't like his vibes. I still like that's the difference for me. I like Mauricio's. He does. It's kind of like he's got yanky vibes.
SPEAKER_03Not yucky. Yankee.
SPEAKER_01No, yeah. Okay. Yeah. They said yucky.
SPEAKER_03No, just he feels like a Yankee to me for some reason. And that's whatever, take it. I just want to take it, but he feels like an A to me. Like a what?
SPEAKER_02An A. Another second baseman we have to send to the A's. Um but and then Lindor. Lindor, yeah. Beatty at third. Beatty at third. I want Bichette off the team. Um I just it's not it's not worth it.
SPEAKER_03It's like Bichette. Robert.
SPEAKER_02Here's the thing. Robert was really good, and then he got injured. And his injury is the kind of injury where they're like not even giving it a timeline. No. He's like, and so it's like he was doing good. I liked I liked him on our team, but now I like the outfield. I like having Benji Ewing set up.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02I love I love that outfield. I love it too. And then put Young on DH. I don't know if I'm forgetting anybody, but I like him at DH. He's like a bat guy. Like he's he's a bat guy who can play solid first base.
SPEAKER_03And then all these other people, the the Melendez, the Taylors of the world.
SPEAKER_02I mean, yeah, I think you have those guys to swap in and out every so once in a while. Like I know Soto will have his days where he's like, I don't know, he's not a fielder. Yeah, yeah. Um, I think you can put Melendez, uh, Melendez can diez, Melendez can be now. Like, these are these are guys that can be swapped out, and there's some looseness there. I guess I don't know if Melendez could play, like I think no, I think he's an outfielder and a catcher. But uh, I guess, yeah. I think I think I like the flexibility we'd have with them, but I
Fixing The Lineup With Returns
SPEAKER_02they're like every fourth day kind of guess every third day. But how about pitching? Pitching. I mean, honestly, our pitching's been very good recently. I've been I've been loving our pitching. I think we yeah, actually, we have like because it's a weird, it's a weird rotation. It's like not a solid rotation, but it's strange. Noel McLean, he had those two terrible starts, but he's getting back into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um and in and in theory, they're only terrible because of him. Like, you know, they're terrible because of the expectations of him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, he's just like, oh, practically they were average outings for like an average pitcher. Just not great for him.
SPEAKER_02Michael Lorenzen would love to have that kind of outing. He's still Michael Lorenzen is still in the starting rotation. He is an above seven ERA. His ERA is above seven. I had me and my friends were talking about who is gonna win the game tomorrow between the Rockies and the Angels. It's Michael Lorenzen and Abner Uriba. One of them has a two ERA, and one of them has a seven and a half ERA. Oh my god. I cannot like I can't I can't even fathom. The only team that's brought down his ERA is the Mets, because he's faced us twice. That's him how embarrassing we are as a team and how embarrassing he is as a pitcher. And but yeah. It's like it's You're welcome. But yeah, that's like that's fine. Christian Scott is insanely good. Yeah, I kind of feel like that's never had a chance to sit in. Like he's a strikeout guy, and he's so good at it. Um and then I really like I really like Jonathan Kong. I hope he gets some starting options. I know that he struggled a bit last year, but that's because he was early and he's had his time to develop. And when he's pitched, recently he's pitched very well. Um I like Freddie Peralta. Still need him to be a bit better, but we kind of got him as like the average guy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like Freddie Peralta would be a lot better on another team. Because it's just it's just been hitting a lot more. Yeah, it's he's like he gave up like three runs. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03He's gonna get he's gonna give three to five a game.
SPEAKER_02But like that's and that's like great if your team can put up four runs. It's like it's that's that's what we need. And so I don't blame him. He's what we paid for. He's I'm like, I'm happy with that.
SPEAKER_03What about Peterson?
SPEAKER_02I'm trying to remember which is the one we like. We don't like David Peterson.
SPEAKER_03I think he's I think he's been okay once he's been like in the bullpen as opposed to being a starter.
SPEAKER_02We have too many guys, we have too many non-star. Like, all of our starters are going to the bullpen. We don't have a starting rotation. No, not really. Because it's like Peterson.
SPEAKER_03We have a rotation period.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Apparently Austin Warren only pitched like one inning yesterday. Like, it was a great inning, zeros across the board, but like it was only one inning. Uh, and like guys like Brazzabon, he's so good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But he's only pitching one inning. Um, I've been loving Luke Weaver. I will say I think our bullpen's really good. I'm mad that we DFA'd Craig Kimbrell and he's just he's right back to another team. Like, that's what I've noticed is we I feel like we've been taking the wrong gambles on players because the guys we drop go to other teams and then they do good there. I thought he was doing okay too, man. Craig Kimbrell, he only let up like a c is like it was only his first couple of things that went bad and he started to get into a flow.
SPEAKER_01Like for for uh sorry.
SPEAKER_03Uh for pitching, we don't really have like veteran um energy. Yeah, I mean And I feel like Kimbrell was kind of like an older cat that had little. Kimbrell is really old.
SPEAKER_02I mean, but but he had, but the thing is that I don't think I've seen somebody older than him. He's been on every team in baseball. Yeah. That's how old he is. But there's there's a certain confidence that comes with that.
SPEAKER_03No, yeah. And that's what he had. I mean, it's like it just and also calmness. Um that you know that I didn't uh I I was surprised to see him go.
SPEAKER_02I was I was kind of surprised about that too.
SPEAKER_03Um why do we still have Peter?
SPEAKER_02We got rid of Richard Love Lady, and now he's I don't even know who the hell that was.
SPEAKER_03I'm like You don't know Dickie Love Lady? Dicky Love Lady You know no Dickie Love Lady I love I love that guy.
SPEAKER_02No, we we gave him up, we lost him in like a rule five draft last year, but he didn't get any playing time last year, so he came back to us and we played him like once and then got rid of him, and now he's on the national zone. He's doing like great. So, uh Dickie Love Lady. But I like our bullpen. I like Luke Weaver, he's really grown on me. Um Devin Williams, when he's good, he's great.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just not like he's still not like the ace closer that we need him to be. Like he's good, but he's just doesn't seem to be like I don't know.
SPEAKER_02He's doing better than Edwin Diaz.
SPEAKER_03Uh, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Edwin Diaz is a good one.
SPEAKER_03Unless you're talking about cockfights.
SPEAKER_02Well, Edwin Diaz isn't even playing. No, he ain't. Uh though I think he's crushing it at the cockfights. Yes, he is. Which is crazy, by the way.
SPEAKER_03He'll be hearing different kinds of trumpets soon.
SPEAKER_02Hey, the Dodgers. It's Dodgers bias. Dodgers bias. That is against the rules. He's like, It's fine. It's fine, guys. I'm just saying, if he was still on the Mets when he said that, he would be in trouble. Yeah. But I digress. Um But I digest. That's my new favorite thing. But I digest. But I digest. Um yeah. I don't know. It's like a weird, it's a weird team. It should be able to work somehow. I don't know. We scored
Pitching Bright Spots And Weird Choices
SPEAKER_02like 10 runs the other day. It was like a 10 to 1 game.
SPEAKER_03Is that the Melendez game?
SPEAKER_02I I've uh no, not the Melendez game, because the Melenda's game was a walk-off. That's what I meant. Yeah. No, it was like 10 to 1.
unknownI missed.
SPEAKER_02I think it was the day after.
SPEAKER_03I've been missing these games this past week. Me too. When I missed them, we win. Not true. Not true. We've lost more than we won. Um, but uh, yeah, I've just I missed I missed a few this past, like not a few. I haven't seen any games since last Wednesday. And uh that's gonna change tonight because I'm gonna catch up.
SPEAKER_02But we also have a terrible sorry to sidetrack. I was looking at the schedule. We had the worst month of June, schedule-wise, out of any team. While we're playing the average team, like win percentage that we're facing is 538. Like we're not facing a team under 500. I think we have like two series against the Braves.
SPEAKER_03You know what, though, I have a theory about that too, that um that doesn't necessarily, you know, match up like that. Because with with the Mets in particular, like the people that we win against sometimes are not.
SPEAKER_02We're no Yankees.
SPEAKER_03We're not Yankees.
SPEAKER_02Yankees only beat the guys who are losing.
SPEAKER_03That was hate number two for the Yankees on this episode. But no, I mean, I just feel like you we don't know where that that's gonna come from. And also those teams, you have to always remember that, say, a team like the Yankees or the Dodgers come in or whatever, they they uh there's a certain mentality when they play a losing team. That I don't care if people go like, bro, I play, I treat each game with the same. It's like if you're playing a last place team, there's gotta be some sort of like energy drop. Like, we're not we're not going 100% today. Unless you're the Yankees and you take advantage of that.
SPEAKER_02Unless you're the Yankees and you literally drop the ball in the outfield, and all of your outfielders come together and let it fall right in the middle.
SPEAKER_03Hey, you guys want to spend me in? We should do a trade. I was gonna say not, I was gonna say just for like a like a hot dog.
SPEAKER_02Give us give us four catches. I might take I might take that deal. Take semi for some hot dogs. That might actually be worth it. He was like a on a $30 million contract right now.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. Let's talk about that real quick, because uh we were talking about it earlier about this the strike, potential strike coming next year between uh the players association and the team owners.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So the issue is we spoke um salary caps, floors.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. There was something else. Sorry, I'm looking this up right now because I saw something else that was like it was really interesting uh that I actually liked, but you can continue.
SPEAKER_03No, I mean I was just gonna say because it's something that kind of popped up for me yesterday, and I thought, well, that's going to mess up next year. Um but the idea is or the situation is uh Is it the team owners want the caps?
SPEAKER_02The team owners want the caps because it just means that they would have to pay less.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um but it also means that like the poorer teams would be more like.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um will have to pay out. And and what I did find out when I when I heard about that was uh that in particular the teams that are spending less than 100 million are actually making two or three times as much. At least.
SPEAKER_02And what they're doing is that they're just taking all the profit, they're not really um putting it back into the team because they're like, well, you know, we're winning enough games to keep people coming, and we're selling tickets and merch, and you know, there's no need to the Rockies owner who uh doesn't want to make ticket prices high because they have the best bar in Colorado in the stadium, so he doesn't want to make the tickets cost more because it'll get more it's like it's like that. But I did figure it out, so technically the owners have proposed both the salary cap and the salary floor. And they this is the third part of the thing. Yeah, it's like it's like a weird, it's like a tight range. It's uh they can put three proposed in Oh, it's actually not that tight. Uh it's uh it was from Google AI, so I might be wrong. 245 million cat and 171 million floor. That's actually not that that's not as bad as it felt when I was looking at like actual diagrams of it. But this the third part of their proposition, really quickly, is the part that I liked, which is uh basically a revenue overhaul centralizing the media bit of it, like the broadcasting. Because as it is right now, trying to watch baseball games is terrible, but if they like centralized the broadcasting and stuff like that, there wouldn't be like the blackout games. You wouldn't have to pay for 70 million different services. And I thought that that was like really I'm kind of for that. Like it we I think basically it was a proposition like it seems like the most elusive part of that.
SPEAKER_03It's like that's not that's outside of even baseball. It's just like all the it's part of the deal.
SPEAKER_02It's I think I think what it does is it uh their proposition is to just big revenue pool for all the streaming and stuff and then distribute it evenly. Because I think right now it's like you do pay for like I just want to watch the Mets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you just pay the Mets, but it's like uh that part I'm really for, and it looks like what the players really want is just more money for the players. So I think they're probably opposed to the floor. No, they're probably opposed to the cap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because it's like not you just don't want 275, you said 245. 245. 271 to 245. Yeah, that's actually like a tight range.
SPEAKER_03It's I it's a little too tight.
SPEAKER_02I just I was looking at like a visual of it and it just felt like it felt gross.
SPEAKER_03Compared the 65 to 2365, that like the Dodges of them at 370?
SPEAKER_02Uh the I think we're like four. Maybe maybe I'm insane.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, I thought it was like I thought we were at 370.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's up, it's something high. Yeah, it's close. I think like let me see what the Dodgers are. Um so this is Dodgers. Show me them both. The Dodgers are 412. Jesus. While the Mets are 375.
SPEAKER_03375. The Yankees are behind us at like 340 or something like that. The Yankees are 320, I think.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so that's kind of like the it's crazy that the Dodgers are four. Like it's crazy that the Dodgers are so far ahead of the Mets. Um not that far ahead of the Mets. Because of Kyle Tucker. Just because of Kyle Tucker. This is Kyle Tucker. Who, by the way, not even the Dodgers fans like. Nobody likes Kyle Tucker.
SPEAKER_03Um yeah, did you hear about that one player that got
Money, Media Blackouts, And Fan Rage
SPEAKER_03like death threats?
SPEAKER_01Who?
SPEAKER_03Was it one of the things? No, he was a Dodger. I ain't funny to joke about. Was it one of ours?
SPEAKER_02Uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_03We don't want you to die at that man. We just want you to leave.
SPEAKER_02Uh you must have been Kyle Tucker, because honestly.
SPEAKER_03No, no, it wasn't Kyle Tucker. It was a different player, I promise you. This happened uh uh two two days ago. Um, that the person got like death threats and and death threats at their house. And um well, he talks about that. If anybody is watching or listening, those of you who are, please do not forget to subscribe, do not forget to share, like this on whatever uh platform you're watching on. And if you have a chance, check out our merch, check out our t-shirts, check out our stuff, buy something, share something, let this thing continue. We want the sadness to grow. Sad boys Mets Club. We are here for you.
SPEAKER_02Tanner Scott. Tanner Scott. It's cause he blew a save. Which is crazy. You know what? Not even Mets fans are that bad where they get mad over one game. It's like a built-up thing. Yeah. We're mad at Bobushack because he sucked for the whole season. That's that's the difference. And we don't get death.
SPEAKER_03Also, I mean, I'm gonna say that most players just leave it on the field. Not players, I'm sorry, fans. We kind of leave it there. It's like we don't necessarily like walk away wanting to kill somebody.
SPEAKER_02It depends on the person. I genuinely I think it was this season where I think it must have been Gary was like legitimately like something along the lines of keep Mets fans, keep any Mets fans you know away from high places.
SPEAKER_03That's different. That's different. This is why we're called the Sad Boys Mets Club. We would never hurt anybody. Maybe ourselves, but never anybody else.
SPEAKER_02Uh, but yeah, the well, the worst part about the Tanner Scott thing, I think death threats to you are less impactful. The reason that it became such a big thing wasn't because it was death threats to his family and kids. He's like three-year-old kid, and they're like you know, his wife, and it's probably that's it's like, come on, man. You know, also because it was one game against the Phillies.
SPEAKER_03Like Yeah, yeah. The Phillies who are not all who are also another team that are doing pretty crappy.
SPEAKER_02I think they're doing better now. Really? Um, but yeah, they're still probably not the greatest team. Yeah. I I mean, I think their firing of the manager worked out pretty okay.
SPEAKER_03Better than than uh the holding on to the manager that we're going through.
SPEAKER_02I still don't know why.
SPEAKER_03Like You know what's crazy? What I don't understand is how there was a moment there when that was such a like a hot topic and now it's not even talked about.
SPEAKER_02That's because David Stearns was like, no, I'm not, I'm not firing him. He just flat out was like, I'm not gonna fire him. It's like I feel like Carlos Mendoza has blackmail on David Stearns. Like, I think there's something on the on the Epstein files. Exactly. I think uh what I think what's his face, the owner might be Steve Cohen is definitely on the Epstein files. Don't say that. I don't think there's a mess owner who isn't on the Epstein. I'm kidding. He would never, he would never be No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03That's a horrible vibe suggestion. I think he is. I take it back, even the insinuation of it. I take it back. I take it back.
SPEAKER_02No, I I genuinely I'm not even insinuating. I think every MLB owner is on the Epstein files. It's not even like a like. It's just the fact that they're billionaires. They probably knew Epstein at one point or another.
SPEAKER_03I'm not saying, look, I'm not saying that people have don't know him or even was at places or that he was at. I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_02I'm not saying they're pedophiles, I'm just saying they're probably on the list. Because the list is everybody. Like they're adjacent. The list is everybody who even like came close.
SPEAKER_03No, yeah, because the list is like basically like the majority of people who had money at that time and were like party people. You know, and then it's like some people took it a little further and got on the plane, some folks went to the island, and you know, whatever hell happened there. It's like we will uh soon be finding out though. I don't know. I do know. I feel like it's gonna happen any second now. Right when the Metro went in.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, it's this photo. I've seen this photo. Right when the Metzro, yeah, it's gonna happen. There's just it's a photo of him with a redacted person uh in the Epstein stuff. So that's that's a little scary.
SPEAKER_00Why is that redacted?
SPEAKER_02They redact victims. So that's a little that's a little worrying.
SPEAKER_03But who did that?
SPEAKER_02I think this is uh I mean where's what's in file's released by the DOJ.
SPEAKER_03What's the source?
SPEAKER_02Department of Justice.
SPEAKER_03Oh. But man, this is this has been a weird day. This is seriously problematic.
SPEAKER_02It's okay, it's okay. Because I can look up any other baseball owner and they're also in the doesn't make it okay though.
SPEAKER_03It doesn't make it okay. Definitely not okay. This is not good.
SPEAKER_02I hate to have brought that up. I thought this was no information.
SPEAKER_03This is horrible. But you're right. I mean, it's like there's gonna be this the people that are on these lists. Oof, gosh, man. This is not good. Might be I'm not to edit this out. Uh I'm not to redact this. Yeah, okay. Well, no, you know, we leave it in because these are the realities that we're facing, these are the things that we're living in, and and um I believe that uh I believe in justice and I believe that everyone will get their due. You know, I do. I really do. I really do. And uh if some harm was done, if something was horribly there, or an act was done that was not uh um a good one, um I believe that uh they people will get the justice. People will get like the they will get what they uh you know what they deserve. Because that's not uh cool. Alright. I don't want to seem like light about this or like just kind of like I don't want to feel like that we're pushing out of the rug, sweeping out of the rug or something, but let's talk about something else real quick because this is like really bumming me out, man. Like I really don't um you know I mean it ties back into the this thing that we're living in now, man. Like this this world that we're living in now, and these people that are just um wrecking everything and they're destroying our democracy. They're they're ripping out the Constitution and they don't give a fuck about anybody but money. And um, you know, it's we look to these things as distractions, we look to these things to kind of lift us up, like, you know, um the Mets and we joke about it because, you know, how can we be uh inspired by this by these losses in this season? Um but it's it's because there's this idea of us kind of wanting to believe in something good. Believe that good exists, you know, believe that we are capable of good things, and you know, to have these constant reminders of the evil that men do and uh and the the the the treachery and and the lives that we've been lost and affected by their bullshit. It's kind of fucking not kind of, this is a fucking depressing thing. Um, but all we can do is talk about it right now, but we need to do more. We need to figure something out. We need to do more.
Pride Month Backlash And The World
SPEAKER_02Um I don't know if anyone has any ideas, but I'm like it is also just in general, it's a rough month to be a baseball fan because it's Pride Month, and so this is this is the part of the year where all the homophobia. I mean, the it's like the things that the people hate is like every social media post, all the comments are because like they changed their logos. Like MLB is kind of one of the only things left still doing that. Um but people hate it, which kind of sucks. It's like one of the reasons that I'm a firm uh Clayton Kershaw hater. Cause it's like I can't even I can't get over because he's the kind of guy who brings his hatred onto the field. Exactly. Like I just remember there's like a pride night and he brought like a he was like wearing a homophobic Bible verse on his hat. It's like it's like I just don't I don't like that. I it's like cause I can acknowledge that some of these players that I like probably not great people. Like Brendan Nimmo. I'm sure he's like a chill dude with terrible political political views. Like that's I've accepted that reality. But he doesn't bring he still goes out and he plays with other people. Like, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Like I there's still Well, I mean, it's like people like to use the defense that that uh you know they'll say like, oh, I'm okay with it, but why do they have to do that in our face? Why do we have to show that in our face? We don't have to like, why do we have to see that kind of thing? You know, and it's like it's the whole point of celebrating is that we we put these people who are living in the shadows and then and hiding and have to like be secretive about what they do and and and uh you know just because a fucking man who's making 200 million dollars, you know, in in 10 years or whatever, playing baseball, doesn't want to put on, you know, extra color on his jacket or whatever.
SPEAKER_02They don't even do this is the craziest part about it. The Pride Knights, they don't even do anything different with the uniforms.
SPEAKER_03That's like the things not anymore.
SPEAKER_02Like, oh, because they were doing like, you know, like pink sneakers or whatever or like no, like some of the players will do things, but it's like not, it's no, which is so cra it's one of the craziest things to me is just like I can't I it's ridiculous to complain about that in the mindset of like, oh well I don't care, but what do they have to do out here? But then be happy on like the veteran stuff where they wear like all their camo gear that's like required by MLB to like wear, but you're mad when they just name the night Pride Night.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like that's crazy to me. I think it's for celebrating it's like the the fan base is like full of uh it's like a mixed different culture of people. It's so it's for celebrating, it's why we have like the different heritage nights and stuff like that. It's because these are sections of the fan bases that are to be celebrated.
SPEAKER_03Acknowledging everybody and making sure that no one feels left out. I mean, and that's the case. It's like it's you're you're also bringing some light into these uh you know sects and communities and and and that you're you're presenting them in a way where within the sport we're all equal. You know what I mean? Where obviously elsewhere we're not, um, that we're not viewed the same, but like, hey, we're all we're fans first. You know, we're part of this team first. And that's like a weird thing that, oh, like you said, because of that, all the homophobia comes out, or whatever the racism or the sexism if it's something else, you know. Um the isms. But uh it's just kind of crazy because to to to to you know, and and of course you see it mainly in the comment sections of videos and stuff on that.
SPEAKER_02Very rarely it's the people like there's very rarely people going to the stadium. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03And I've been in places where it's like I've been in in games where um, you know, there've been situations that have felt kind of like borderline dangerous. It was like things kind of can escalate. Typically at Doggers game. I'm not gonna lie, the mainly almost all of them for me happened at Dodger games and once at uh a Yankee game.
SPEAKER_02Um just great, great teams.
SPEAKER_03No, I mean I was just I mean, I like to me at the Yankee game, it was completely like it was more of a bystander situation than I saw like a Yankees fan and a Red Sox fan. Um nearly you know, have a situation. Um, oddly enough, it was diffused by somebody like a Yankees uniform, like a Yankees outfit, like he was completely Yankees out, head to toe, and started dancing between them. And it was like the best thing. I actually have it on video because it was at the time I was uh at LA TV just doing, and I made a segment on on going to New York, and because I was I had gone to New York to cover a movie called Van Helsing that starred Hugh Jackman and Kate Beckinsell. Um I think it was Hugh Jackman, I'm trying to remember. Yeah, it was Hugh Jackman. It was Hugh Jackman because uh I'm I did the press junkets I'd like to interview everybody. But it was just kind of funny because then I was in New York, but go see a game, and it was just like I didn't know there were no Mets games, I went to go see Yankee.
SPEAKER_02Crazy game to pick though.
SPEAKER_03It was a Yankee. I had to go, it was a yeah, because this this is uh, you know, early 2000s, I think it was, yeah, early 2000s. And uh that whole that it was just looked great, but this was like, you know, a chubby guy, you know. This is like black tune. Yankees gear head to toe. The two people were like, fuck you, fuck you. Whatever. And he just started me like in between them. He's just starting to go like this between him. It's like and they both started laughing, man. And then he was just like, come on, man, hug it out, hug it out, hug it out. And they hugged it out. And it was just like okay. But I was like, still, that was a great outcome. Just something that felt very dangerous. I've had similar situations at Dodger Stadium where things get hectic and have and heated quickly. But you know, uh people get out of hand, man. People get out of hand. And it's like, you know, you just have to kind of uh uh deflect or or or how do you say it, like de-escalate the situation. And not not add fuel to the fire because nobody wins. Nobody wins, you know.
SPEAKER_02Nobody, I like I've never been in a drunk tank at Dodger Stadium, but I've heard stories, you know, and nobody wants to go there, just especially since if you're a fan and you miss half the game, if it's a good one, and I have a very distinct memory of being very young and us leaving a Dodgers game early and there were people fighting. Yeah. Like drunk people.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we were at a game once where they were throwing batteries. They were throwing batteries from above down to our section. We were like in the Met section. And uh it's kind of crazy. Um, I'm sure that I don't know. I mean, I remember there was like I remember one year that there was a uh San Francisco fan that died. Oh yeah, I'm you know there was a situation, and you know, where this is our tragic episode. This is like the episode we're bringing all the bad shit up. But um, you know, I feel like that's part of what we're talking
Representation, Team Alignment, And Vibes
SPEAKER_03about. We set off this episode drawing a parallel to the world that we live in, and that fanaticism, that extremism, is what's wrong with the world today, right? It's that we can't see, like you were saying before about Kershaw and Nimmo and whatever, and it's like, you know, the not Nimmo, because like you said, Nimmo Nimmo was a good example of it, of what to do, which is basically you live in.
SPEAKER_02And yeah, he played with guys like Lindor and stuff, and he played with.
SPEAKER_03Everyone, you have your opinion, you have you go to your church, you do get help.
SPEAKER_02And then they go they go home and they do, they vote for who they want to.
SPEAKER_03And that's but this is what's missed, and this is what we've lost in this country. And you know, like I can remember um, this is one of my favorite stories to tell about my dad. That my mom hated about my dad. Um, because my dad uh worked at uh factories in uh in New Jersey, and there would be textile factories, and um, and and sometimes they were just distribution places. They didn't necessarily make the fabric there or whatever, but they were just shipping. But he worked with all kinds of people, man. And uh and uh occasionally my dad would come home with several people, and it would just be like they'd be sitting around the table, drinking, talking, whatever, blah, blah, eating, and my mom would be like, oh yeah, he's bringing all these crazy people here, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But it wasn't crazy, it was just like, you know, it would be this, you know, guy from Nigeria, and then it'd be this the guy, the Polish guy who lived around the corner, and then be like, the whatever, the guy, the, you know, the fresh off-the-boat from Nicaragua guy that that my dad, you know, was just like, everyone was just like at the table, you know, and whatever, we're eating, talking shit, making fun of shit, joking. And to like be a kid and like looking at that, because it'd be they'd be out up late and looking from my door in my bedroom and just seeing all these people like having fun, but people that were very clearly different, but they were all working together, working for the same company. I mean, it's like people don't, you know, it's all uh, I always think about it, it's like uh when people say, like, the reason we have Pride Month, the reason we have those appreciation nights for those uh different cultures and countries, ethnicities, and the reason we have Black History Month, and the reason that, you know, because like, well, you know, why don't we have this month or whatever? Like, it's like because we have it every day, right? For everything else, we have it every day. And we should be celebrating it every day, but we need to put aside time because it's necessary, because these things, these people, these cultures, these uh they're they're uh uh uh uh put aside, they're ignored, they're they're constantly, they're being erased again, uh purposely. Yeah, and uh we need to highlight it as much as possible. But the thing I was gonna say was when I think of representation, people use that a lot. I was like, you know, I need to we need to see somebody who we can relate to on TV or in the media because it representation matters. You know, but one thing that's always kind of looked over when we think of that phrase, we think of specific. We think of it's like, oh, because you know, if you're um you're a Japanese American to see somebody Asian on TV portrayed in a in a just a positive way, in a regular way, average way, is a strong thing. But to me, it's like what we miss is that also we don't have the representation of like how people really act with each other. You know, how people really like all the racism, all the negativity, all the craziness, it's kind of gotten like it's it's it's exponentially gotten worse because of the internet. Because people are isolated. When people weren't isolated, they were forced to deal with each other. They were forced to have to like talk to each other in basic, simple day-to-day situations. And you could still even then have like a uh like be a have a racist bone in you or be not trustful or trustful worthy of other people or because of whatever they look different than you. But you had to deal with them, you had to interact with them, and that changes everything. That changes everything. You can still hold on to some fucked up belief. But when you're dealing with people, when people are serving your food, or when you have to serve food to them, or when you have to like, you know, you're you're forced into these sort of reality uh uh, I don't know, negotiations in it, like uh uh uh we are we are we have to be, we have to work together. And then it's like that's why baseball like represents so much of this. You have a team, you have, you know, nine players, and they're all from everywhere, from different kinds of cultures and life or whatever, and there's one common goal, you know, and uh there are communication differences, there's there's religious, there's uh political belief differences, there's ageism, you know, new generations, old generations, and all this stuff is happening. But all that stuff needs to be put aside for it to happen, for it to work, with the like, you know, and and uh to get on to a more scientific level. Like for the Mets, what we've been missing all season is alignment. It's like we're talking about the pieces that we've had. The like we have all the cool players, you know, whatever the ones that we like and the ones we don't like or whatever. But these are all proven players. No, like they're the you know, all all the results have been one thing, but people have not gone out of their way to bring crappy players to our team. You know what I mean? These are players that were had proven something special, and somehow it didn't work.
SPEAKER_02Or somehow it's not we needed Kike Hernandez.
SPEAKER_03We need a Kiki Hernandez, terrible player, incredible guy. We need uh uh, I think it's Sima. Uh was that Jose Zima? Uh that was on the on the Dodgers for a bit, like who's just like almost like a like a freaking clown. Like just we need somebody. We need like the team needs like their own grimace. Like a like a player that goes, you know, I don't know, man. I just how is it that we went to those classic baseball games, the baseball classics uh in in Florida, and that energy that we saw, not only for the Dominican team, but we saw it with Italy, we saw Venezuela, we saw it with uh um, we even saw it with Japan. They had like, you know, cool things. Like there was like an energy, like a synchronicity of the emotion that I don't know, man, it's just like a they came that everyone comes back here and it's just like, well, that was like a vacation, and now we have to go back to work, and now it's like a different attitude. And everyone's just like, you know, it almost feels like everyone does this sort of like, what, how much can I do to get enough to get noticed, to get by? I don't want to do more. You know, like that's it almost feels like a very like uh a corporate environment in that respect. That uh they're like, okay, you know, no one no one's going out of their way to like explode.
SPEAKER_02I mean, well, here's the I think other than our rookies, which is kind of why we've been loving the rookies, because they've and it's almost like they don't know. Well, it's and you know what I think it really is. I think it's that's the downside of how much we pay our guys. I think that the issue is with this $375 million payroll, there's the expectation you have to work for. Like Bo Bachet has hated his time there. Like he said in interviews and stuff, because there's an expectation of a $40 million player that he's just not living up to that he didn't have to deal with when he was back in the Blue Jays because there wasn't such a big payroll, there wasn't such like a big amount that he's being paid. Like the teams that are so fun that go on miracle runs are fun because they have they don't have the expectations. And so it just kind of like It's like it's it's because they thought it's like the vibe is like, okay, we're going back to work. This is our job. Which is like you want that sometimes. You want your players to be focused and locked in and like doing their job, but they're supposed to have fun with it.
SPEAKER_03And they're supposed to like uh I mean it's just uh I don't know. It's such a and is it the the day in, day out thing? You know, is it the day, you know, they're just like they get run over by okay, well, you know, then that was just me, now it's today. And um, I don't know. I just feel like it it's uh we need maybe we need to bring up more rookies.
SPEAKER_02Just fix something, because like they're trying. Our guys are definitely trying. Ewing and Benj really they're they're put I think they're putting everything they have out on the field every day.
SPEAKER_03But I mean it's like you know, then how do you explain Vientos? Who I believe is just like I love Vientos. I I'm I'm I'm I'm just completely like enamored with this guy because I feel like he's he's been a shining light as far as he's doing 110% of what it was expected of him because I didn't expect shit from him.
SPEAKER_02It's I mean that's I think Vientos is the perfect example of what we're talking about because he was basically off the team. Yeah, he was. That's that's we kicked him off the team, basically. Yeah, and at the start of the season, it was like like in the offseason, it was like, oh Vientos better start running your first base reps, and then we signed a guy to play first base. And it's like, what do we what do we do with Vientos now? And now he's getting his everyday playing, and it's like it's the expectation, the bar was so low that he's just killing it. And I think that's I think that's really where he thrives. Because like that was the whole thing he did so good in the postseason 2024 when like there was no expectation 2025. Really not that great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was because there was like the high expectation. God, I love Vientos. He's so I like his face too. He's just a chill guy. Um, but yeah, I mean it's just you know, um And I love his little fanny pack. I like that he plays with a little butt fanny pack.
SPEAKER_03He needs to keep his mints in there.
SPEAKER_02Like, what why does he have that? No other players need that at all. And he's also like the closest to the dugout. So really, and he needed something, he could get it.
SPEAKER_03Have you ever seen him pull anything out of that?
SPEAKER_02No. I don't know. Maybe it's just like if he falls, he'll fall on like a cushion.
SPEAKER_03Maybe that's what it is. Maybe he's just carrying something personal. Maybe he's just like it's like a little like um like a lymph uh blanket.
SPEAKER_02Aww, I'd love that for him. I would love that for him so much.
Alvarez And Lindor Timelines Plus Wrap
SPEAKER_03Before we uh like to talk about movies, because there's a couple of things that I saw that I was just like talking about, but um do we have any hopes and expectations? No, no expectations. What do we what are we thinking about the time ahead? We're getting close to the all-star break, and uh what what what do we want to see soon before the break?
SPEAKER_02Really quickly, I saw a post. Alvarez got a surgery like very recently ago, and he was on like a two-month time frame post that surgery. Yeah, and he's getting back like 19 days. He's he's playing his first re-app game. Like, I he's such a tank. I love his game. The troll. He's so like he's like so ahead of schedule, it's insane. Because he's just that guy. And you know he's gonna come back. Yeah, he's gonna come back playing so good too, because he plays so good when he's hurt. What we said at the beginning, break one of his fingers, and we'll have like the best catcher.
SPEAKER_03I I want I want his level of dependability back into back in the game. Because, you know, you can say whatever you want to say about him. He felt like he was just a good part of this team for me.
SPEAKER_02He was like he was our rock. Yeah. He was he was our rock.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um Alvarez come back. So before the all-side break, and uh, how was Lindor's timeline looking like?
SPEAKER_02Lindor, I think Lindor should be back soon. Sorry, quick sidetrack. I was looking at my fantasy baseball because I was trying to find uh I have Lindor on my team. Jordan Alvarez. I remember last week, three days into the week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, by Wednesday, he had hit five home runs.
SPEAKER_03It's Tell me he's Dominican.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry, he he has to be. He's on the Astros, he's like he's in the running to be. I can't see where he's from. No, he's gotta be. I mean, if you look at his face. That sounds mean, but I he genuinely has a Dominican space.
SPEAKER_03As Dominicans, we could say that.
SPEAKER_02He's like And he has so much power. I just like Jordan, Jordan Alvarez. Maybe I'm right. Oh so close. Can you guess? Venezuela. Cuba. Oh really? He's he Jordan Alvarez is the Cuban Missile Crisis. That that will never not be my favorite nickname for any Cuban player. Because like, that's like that's incredible. I feel like we can all say that that's the best possible kind of nickname, but sorry.
SPEAKER_01I love my pictures. Um so Lindor.
SPEAKER_02Questionable. Expected to return June 18th.
SPEAKER_03Really? So kind of the same timeline as Alvarez.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he is he's I don't have Alvarez on my team. He's June 18th. Alvarez is set to come back June 9th. So this this isn't confirmed, but like this is pretty up to date in terms of like where they're expected to come back. By the way, I just need to vent for a second. I have two catchers. Incredibly good catcher lineup because I have Joran Alvarez, not I have uh Francisco Alvarez as my backup catcher, because he's good. He's not really great, stats-wise, like points-wise, and then I have Drake Baldwin, who's like the best, best catcher possible. But both of them got injured last week, so I've had no catcher for two weeks. This is my second week, no catcher, which is really unfortunate because it scores by position. Which means I have a big fat zero on the catcher position. But anyways, I digress. Um it happened again. I need a phone case.
SPEAKER_03Um We're gonna start a GoFundMe. Frankie's go uh phone case. 10 case. You know what? Let's start a GoFundMe. Let's start a GoFundMe to uh buy the team. For no the the the pirates, maybe.
SPEAKER_02That's that's genuinely a thing. I I forget who they're trying to buy, but there's a Instagram channel called the Hollow Pretty Good. Instagram like profile, and they're the means yes. It's the it's the Hollow Pretty Good, and it's like all the players who are just kinda like okay, and they do votes, but they're trying they're trying to buy uh the Pirates. It's time for an update on the Hall of Pretty Good and all of its followers buying the Pittsburgh Pirates. Right now the Hollow Pretty Good has 2,400 no 242,600 followers, meaning it would cost just five thousand four hundred and forty-one dollars per follower to buy the team. They're they're getting close. Putting the entire team of the Montreal Expos in the hall. I mean, yeah. Were they were they not just pretty good? They were pretty good. Um anyways.
SPEAKER_03I'll have to follow. Will you send you that later?
SPEAKER_02I'll send you.
SPEAKER_03Um let's go ahead and jump into movies. I know that I know that the next week of uh baseball, Met's baseball will be interesting and exciting. Yeah, in two weeks.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna go on summer break, and then a week into summer break, I'm gonna get Lindor back.
SPEAKER_03The universe is listening.
SPEAKER_01I need this.
SPEAKER_03Uh let's talk about movies real quick. Um, anything in particular that you've seen that you loved or uh want to talk about?
SPEAKER_02Sorry, I'm pulling back out the phone. Well, I've been watching a lot because